This is gonna be a good battle if it pops off, plus with the new Blue magic ish, he can redeem his Nas lose

at this point in hip-hop Todd is way below Jay even caring what he has to say, LL just trying to get some buzz 4 his next record(which will suck like the last one). It seems as soon as niccaz go to G-unit they start talking reckless, Fiddy must have some special Thug cookies these niccaz snacking on.

what up riz. you found me on facebook huh?

LF: When does that Saigon ‘Moral of the Story’ drop? I’ve been waiting on that for a MINUTE…

lmao @ someone

yo Riz, good points man, people actually think LL can still battle rap even tho I don’t even think his previous battles were that impressive.

I’m a fan of both, so it’ll be interesting if this actually goes down.

If Jay plays along then this could be the second resurrection of LL, because just like it was stated before, his last album wasn’t any good.

Somehow I doubt Jay would play into LL’s hands though it seems to be a good look since LL is respected as a legend. They also have history dating back to Jay’s earlier days on the come up before RD. Lotsa skeletons could come out..but we’ll see…LL seems to be where Bis was years ago…ironic a bit isn’t it?

Jay-Z>>>>>>>>LL Cool J.

I got respect for LL but Jay would murda him like he did to Nas! Everybody say Nas won but Jay kept it real and murdered Nas about his rap career and all Nas talked about was Jay’s looks which was corny.

Jay-Z = G.O.A.T!

Some people say LL can’t battle rap … o.k. But I recall on this one joint when dude said:

“Band wagon ni**as’ ride my d**k every day.
And broke a** critics always got somethin’ 2 say.
‘Bout how a ni**a’ shoulda’ flipped his sh*t a different way.
The f**K u know about hip-hop I’m LL Cool J?
They send Bentleys 4 me …
Security escorts me …
Now u wanna run 2 the authorities and report me?
4 bein’ cocky.
I tossed those who cock blocked me.
I’m makin’ millions and no ni**a’ it don’t shock me I’m supposed 2 have it.
U never been close 2 carats.
That’s why u keep poppin’ that sh*t jealous bastard.
I ain’t impressed by u playa’ that’s that.
Matter of fact gimme your autograph dawg … on my nut sack.”

T2 Says:
September 24th, 2007 at 7:03 pm
Jay-Z>>>>>>>>LL Cool J.

I got respect for LL but Jay would murda him like he did to Nas! Everybody say Nas won but Jay kept it real and murdered Nas about his rap career and all Nas talked about was Jay’s looks which was corny.

I have 2 respectfully disagree with my mellow. Like my dude who used 2 run the ESCOBARTHEORY blog noted …

“* You been on my dick, nigga, you love my style …
* With Hawaiian Sophie fame, kept my name in his music …
* You a fan, a phony, a fake, a pussy, a Stan …
* Wanted to be on every last one of my classics …”

* From sampling Nas on Dead Presidents …
* From sampling Nas on Rap Game-Crack Game …
* From referencing Nas on Sunshine …
* From referencing Nas on “Where I’m From” …
* From asking Nas to redo the hook on “Dead Presidents” …
* From asking Nas to appear in the video for “Dead Presidents” (where Jay apparently contacted E Money Bags to get at the Illmatic MC, ["callin' my crib and I ain't even give you my numbers"] …

The obsession had previously been a relatively guarded secret but … with Ether, Nas put it on blast for the whole world to see. Many people have said that the verse from Takeover was directed at Nas almost from the point of view of a fan. In this context, that evaluation makes perfect sense.”

woooord.

Jay would murder LL….no question. But the battle would be nice to watch. Both rappers would wake up.

Understanding, you contradict yourself. If Jay murdered Nas then why did you provide evidence to the contrary?

Rizoh Says:
September 24th, 2007 at 8:45 pm
Understanding, you contradict yourself. If Jay murdered Nas then why did you provide evidence to the contrary?

Look closer homey. I didn’t contradict myself. I quoted T2’s comments about Jay supposedly murdering NaS and then offered evidence 2 the contrary thanx 2 my mellow from the ESCOBARTHEORY blog …

I don’t know who is more childish, the rappers who still engage in this type of stuff or the “fans” who whip them into a frenzy over so
called subliminals. This is playground stuff. Aren’t they both rich? Millionaires arguing over nothing in the end.

Not to mention Jay is LL’s boss for one more album and all. Hov will murk LL (licks lips) like he used to do back in the day.

man…. jay-z is the epitome of commercial rap mixed with some lricism. he is an excellent lyricist but face it hes just like t.i.p plan and simple. and who the fuck is is this Cool J? this is as if master p was a bout to put out an album. wait didnt he also go up against 50. how’d that work out by th way

Understanding Says:
September 24th, 2007 at 8:49 pm

Look closer homey. I didn’t contradict myself. I quoted T2’s comments about Jay supposedly murdering NaS and then offered evidence 2 the contrary thanx 2 my mellow from the ESCOBARTHEORY blog —————-
Ah, I see.

Hmm, which lyrics are more of a diss and lyrically solid:

“You guys don’t want it with Hov’
Ask Nas, he don’t want it with Hov’, nooooo!
know you missin all the - FAAAAAAAME!
But along with celebrity comes bout seventy shots to your frame
Nigga; you a - LAAAAAAAME!
Youse the fag model for Karl Kani/Esco ads
Went from, Nasty Nas to Esco’s trash
Had a spark when you started but now you’re just garbage
Fell from top ten to not mentioned at all
to your bodyguard’s “Oochie Wally” verse better than yours
Matter fact you had the worst flow on the whole fuckin song
but I know - the sun don’t shine, then son don’t shine
That’s why your - LAAAAAAAME! - career come to a end
There’s only so long fake thugs can pretend
Nigga; you ain’t live it you witnessed it from your folks pad
You scribbled in your notepad and created your life
I showed you your first tec on tour with Large Professor
(Me, that’s who!) Then I heard your album bout your tec on the dresser
So yeah I sampled your voice, you was usin it wrong
You made it a hot line, I made it a hot song
And you ain’t get a coin nigga you was gettin fucked and
I know who I paid God, Serchlite Publishing
Use your - BRAAAAAAAIN! You said you been in this ten
I’ve been in it five - smarten up Nas
Four albums in ten years nigga? I can divide
That’s one every let’s say two, two of them shits was due
One was - NAHHH, the other was “Illmatic”
That’s a one hot album every ten year average
And that’s so - LAAAAAAAME! Nigga switch up your flow
Your shit is garbage, but you try and kick knowledge?
(Get the fuck outta here) You niggaz gon’ learn to respect the king
Don’t be the next contestant on that Summer Jam screen
Because you know who (who) did you know what (what)
with you know who (yeah) but just keep that between me and you for now”

OR

the verse by Nas above. Lyrically, I feel Jay-Z killed it b/c he actually called out Nas for being wack during his last few albums and this battle actually brought Nas back to life and now he works for Jay. At the time of this record, Nas was no where to be found, he wasn’t even mentioned in the top 10. While on the other hand this had no effect on Jay, for him it was a win/win, he got press from the battle sold millions of ‘The Blueprint’, a classic, and is now making money off of Nas. I don’t think Jay ever sounded like Nas, how does Nas call out Jay for selling his soul for money when Nas made ‘oochie wally’ and those other commercial albums? If his dis wasn’t hypocritical, I don’t know what is. Yea, and who the hell did Nas influence? Jay has created more careers than any other rapper in the game. Honestly, IMO, Jay spit some honest shit on the record, while Nas just dissed Jay on what everyone keeps hating on and his looks, which isn’t really valid.

sorry homie…too short and kool keith #1 at longevity….LL been sold out way to many times

LL is actin’ like he’s someone Jay should be scared of. When have we heard a memorable LL joint? Longevity is one thing but he ain’t the Rolling Stones of this shit. No one even remembers his wack ass movies. Hov will ignore anything LL has to say which would really confirm LL’s irrelevance in the grand scheme of things and put a major hole in his liplicking ego.

bis’ took LL

I’m tired of dumbstruck Jay stans who keep saying all Nas talked about was Jay’s looks.

Like I mean fam, I reccommend AZ lyrics.com, go there and read ether and take Jay’s dick out ya mouth so you can read the screen properly.

LL doesn’t sell records (c) 50 cent

right?

JAY-Z=the real G.O.A.T.

Ether > Takeover. It’s not even a question.

Why is your name Hovito? I’ve debating this for a while and I’ve read both lyrics. IMO, what Jay says about Nas making up stories, falling off, having 1 classic album, selling out is more relevant that what Nas says about Jay biting lines, being a stan, looks and whatnot.

If Jay took Nas’ style than why isn’t Nas bigger than Jay? When Jordan surpassed Magic didn’t he say he was the best, why shouldn’t Jay? Hip-Hop is a competition, like Em said “a plaque and platinum status is wack if I’m not the baddest.” Nas samples Pac who dissed Jay, but Pac also dissed Nas, so how does that make any sense. Nas spits “You traded your soul for riches”, so what was ‘Ochie Wally’? Now, those riches are helping people. I’ll say ‘Ether’ was a hot song, but content wise not better than ‘Takeover’, Jay made better points. I don’t really see anything that Nas said as relevant b/c it’s the same shit people have been talking about Jay for years b/c they hate the man on top, someone please break it down.

Just look at it like this, who’s working for who now?

First off let me debunk the usual Jay stan weapon, “whos working for who now”. Stupid bullshit I always hear from Jay stans. I assume sales and your business position determine who’s the bestter rapper huh. Tecnically BIG worked for Puff so I guess your going to say PUff is a better rapper huh?

I know you missin all the - FAAAAAAAME!
But along with celebrity comes bout seventy shots to your brain
Nigga; you a - LAAAAAAAME!
Youse the fag model for Karl Kani/Esco ads
Went from, Nasty Nas to Esco’s trash

Went from Nasty Nas to Escos trash? Bullshit, nas did a few magazine adds for esco, alot of rappers from rakim to whoever have done the same.

Had a spark when you started but now you’re just garbage

Bullshit, Nas dropped 3 acclmaimed albums Illmatic, It Was Written, an I am which all recieved bigger commercial and critical success than their predacessors.

Fell from top ten to not mentioned at all

Nas was still being mentioned as top 10, I mean Rakim hasnt dropped anything in years but isn’t he still mentioned as top 10? yeahh..

to your bodyguard’s “Oochie Wally” verse better than yours

Maybe from jays prespective, cause Horse def didnt have a better verse. Thats debatable.

Matter fact you had the worst flow on the whole fuckin song
but I know

bullshit, jungle had the worse flow on that song even u stans could figure that one out

- the sun don’t shine, then son don’t shine
That’s why your - LAAAAAAAME! - career come to a end

while the fool jay was claiming someones career has come to an end he was in fact motivating nas to come out with a classic, stillmatic, so much for ended careers

There’s only so long fake thugs can pretend
Nigga; you ain’t live it you witnessed it from your folks pad

yeah jay dropped bodys and let off shots like in all his songs. riggghtt

You scribbled in your notepad and created your life
I showed you your first tec on tour with Large Professor

wasnt this already debunked. jay and techs, very nice, im impressed jay,

(Me, that’s who!) Then I heard your album bout your tec on your dresser
So yeah I sampled your voice, you was usin it wrong

funny, using it wrong, walk with me lets move on to the next line of lies

You made it a hot line, I made it a hot song

false, the world is yours was a lyrically and flow wise supirior song to dead presidents so what is jay talking about, but yeah he made it a hot song, ill give it to my man hov

And you ain’t get a corn nigga you was gettin fucked and
I know who I paid God, Serchlite Publishing
Use your - BRAAAAAAAIN! You said you been in this ten
I’ve been in it five - smarten up Nas

good for you jay, youve been in it 5

Four albums in ten years nigga? I could divide
That’s one every let’s say two, two of them shits was due

One was - NAHHH, the other was “Illmatic”
That’s a one hot album every ten year average

yeah It was written is considered classic by the majority of music listeners, it was more commercially and critcally sucsessfull than illmatic and it gained nas more fans. I am also did well commercially and even though it was more commerciall than the previous it sold well and was near classic status lyrically. so yeah jay thats 3 albums every 10 year average. like jay aint release a couple commercial rebundant duds.

And that’s so - LAAAAAAAME! Nigga switch up your flow
Your shit is garbage, but you try and kick knowledge?

yeah. nas flow did kinda fall off, but jay completly changed his flow for a worse one, which was still good, but yeah. And nas always kicked real knowledge, jay spoke 85% on money cash hoes basically.

(Get the fuck outta here) You niggaz gon’ learn to respect the king

king, yeah jay ill give u that, cause it doesnt mean your the best rapper.

Don’t be the next contestant on that Summer Jam screen

yeah what picture of nas was jay going to show? more fabricated shit.

Because you know who (who) did you know what (what)
with you know who (yeah) but just keep that between me and you for now

basically the only 100% fact in the whole song. Congrats jay you fucked that dirty ass hoodrat cuase nas was a sucka for love

now that was my “quick” breakdown fam. Understand this i aint got hate for jay, but why jay stans dont acknowledge any other rappers being on his level is besides me. so whatever, feel free to think jay is god, just fall back with the excessive dikriding. every time jay is talked about some jay stan brings up nas out of spite.

First off let me debunk the usual Jay stan weapon, “whos working for who now”. Stupid bullshit I always hear from Jay stans. I assume sales and your business position determine who’s the bestter rapper huh. Tecnically BIG worked for Puff so I guess your going to say PUff is a better rapper huh?

I know you missin all the - FAAAAAAAME!
But along with celebrity comes bout seventy shots to your brain
Nigga; you a - LAAAAAAAME!
Youse the fag model for Karl Kani/Esco ads
Went from, Nasty Nas to Esco’s trash

Went from Nasty Nas to Escos trash? Bullshit, nas did a few magazine adds for esco, alot of rappers from rakim to whoever have done the same.

Had a spark when you started but now you’re just garbage

Bullshit, Nas dropped 3 acclmaimed albums Illmatic, It Was Written, an I am which all recieved bigger commercial and critical success than their predacessors.

Fell from top ten to not mentioned at all

Nas was still being mentioned as top 10, I mean Rakim hasnt dropped anything in years but isn’t he still mentioned as top 10? yeahh..

to your bodyguard’s “Oochie Wally” verse better than yours

Maybe from jays prespective, cause Horse def didnt have a better verse. Thats debatable.

Matter fact you had the worst flow on the whole fuckin song
but I know

bullshit, jungle had the worse flow on that song even u stans could figure that one out

- the sun don’t shine, then son don’t shine
That’s why your - LAAAAAAAME! - career come to a end

while the fool jay was claiming someones career has come to an end he was in fact motivating nas to come out with a classic, stillmatic, so much for ended careers

There’s only so long fake thugs can pretend
Nigga; you ain’t live it you witnessed it from your folks pad

yeah jay dropped bodys and let off shots like in all his songs. riggghtt

You scribbled in your notepad and created your life
I showed you your first tec on tour with Large Professor

wasnt this already debunked. jay and techs, very nice, im impressed jay,

(Me, that’s who!) Then I heard your album bout your tec on your dresser
So yeah I sampled your voice, you was usin it wrong

funny, using it wrong, walk with me lets move on to the next line of lies

You made it a hot line, I made it a hot song

false, the world is yours was a lyrically and flow wise supirior song to dead presidents so what is jay talking about, but yeah he made it a hot song, ill give it to my man hov

And you ain’t get a corn nigga you was gettin fucked and
I know who I paid God, Serchlite Publishing
Use your - BRAAAAAAAIN! You said you been in this ten
I’ve been in it five - smarten up Nas

good for you jay, youve been in it 5

Four albums in ten years nigga? I could divide
That’s one every let’s say two, two of them shits was due

One was - NAHHH, the other was “Illmatic”
That’s a one hot album every ten year average

yeah It was written is considered classic by the majority of music listeners, it was more commercially and critcally sucsessfull than illmatic and it gained nas more fans. I am also did well commercially and even though it was more commerciall than the previous it sold well and was near classic status lyrically. so yeah jay thats 3 albums every 10 year average. like jay aint release a couple commercial rebundant duds.

And that’s so - LAAAAAAAME! Nigga switch up your flow
Your shit is garbage, but you try and kick knowledge?

yeah. nas flow did kinda fall off, but jay completly changed his flow for a worse one, which was still good, but yeah. And nas always kicked real knowledge, jay spoke 85% on money cash hoes basically.

(Get the fuck outta here) You niggaz gon’ learn to respect the king

king, yeah jay ill give u that, cause it doesnt mean your the best rapper.

Don’t be the next contestant on that Summer Jam screen

yeah what picture of nas was jay going to show? more fabricated shit.

Because you know who (who) did you know what (what)
with you know who (yeah) but just keep that between me and you for now

basically the only 100% fact in the whole song. Congrats jay you fucked that dirty ass hoodrat cuase nas was a sucka for love

now that was my “quick” breakdown fam. Understand this i aint got hate for jay, but why jay stans dont acknowledge any other rappers being on his level is besides me. so whatever, feel free to think jay is god, just fall back with the excessive dikriding. every time jay is talked about some jay stan brings up nas out of spite.

sorry for the double comment, I thought u had blocked my name so I posted with another one.

But why hadnt my comment showed up yet?

by the way the above “dynasty is me”

I posted a really long response to ali but for some reason it wont post or is being blocked, but whatever

I never said Nas wasn’t on his level, I think Jay and Nas are the two best out. I like both rappers, but IMO Jay is better, he’s more consistent and his flow suits my style more so than Nas. And, I also felt like people didn’t really disect ‘Takeover’ and ‘Ether’. I still prefer ‘Takeover’ over ‘Ether’, I think Jay makes more valid points, that’s all.

You went from Hovito to Dynasty, so you still throwing the ROC sign in the air? Cool.

Understanding, I agree wit you on some levels.

I Think ether was a dope diss track and he had some lines that killed Jay.

Jay referenced Nas falling off which was a fact, Nas referenced Jay biting and liking his style Jay admitted it by saying illmatic was dope and then he fell off so Nas had no argument there.

you guys are funny. jay z was a nobody until his style of rap took off in the mid to late 90’s.ll on the other hand came out over 20 yrs ago and ruled hip hop for years until he fell off after his first battle with moe dee. ll came back and destroyed moe dee with til da break of dawn. he did this by changing his style to match the times. this is something ll still does to this day. For jay z to even qualify to be nominated G.O.A.T. he has to prove he can rise to the top when his style isnt the current flavor in hip hop, in other words sell records, and rock crowds outside his era as ll did in the 90’s, and today. by the way only one mc has been able to consistantly sell records while not only keeping his chosen style through the years, despite having no air play at all due to his lyrics. this in my opinion makes Too Short the G.O.A.T.

yaw yung’nz musta 4-got who tha real GOAT IS:

What the fuck? I thought I conquered the whole world
Crushed Moe Dee, Hammer, and Ice-T’s girl
But still, niggaz want to instigate shit
I’ll battle any nigga in tha rap game quick
Name the spot, I make it hot for ya bitches
Female rappers too, I don’t give a fuck boo
Word, I’m here to crush all my peers
Rhymes of the month in The Source for twenty years
Niggaz scared, I’m detrimental to your mental state
I use my presedential Rolex to be debate
Niggaz fight, glock cocked ya temple gets fucked
MC’s, that fuck with LL they gets bucked
That’s real, what’s up with that I Shot Ya deal?
Light shit, niggaz slip now how the bullet feel?
New York appeal, in L.A. they gang bang
But if you touch a mic your motherfuckin ass hang
That’s facts, niggaz don’t recieve no type of slack
Cause if they do, they ass is always runnin back
Not this time, but next time I’ma name names
LL, shittin from on top of the game
I SHOT YA!

& then I cain’t 4-get about

When young sons fantasize of borrowing flows
tell little shorty with the big mouth the bank is closed,
The symbol on my arm is off limits to challengers
You hold the rusty swords I swing the Excalibur
How dare you step up in my dimension
Your little as* should be somewher cryin on detention
Watch your mouth better yet hold your tongue
I’ma do this sh*t for free this time this one’s for fun
Blow you to pieces, leave you covered in feces
with one thesis (”LL Cool J is hard”)
Every little boy wanna pick up the mic
and try to run with the big boys and live up to the real hype
But that’s like pickin up a ball, playin with Mike,
Swingin at Ken Griffey or challengin Roy to a fight
Snappin, you ameteur MC’s
Don’t you know I’m like the Dream Team tourin overseas
For rappers in my circle I’m a deadly disease
Ringmaster, bringin a tiger cub to his knees (uhh)
In the history of rap they’ve never seen such prominence
Your naive confidence gets crushed by my dominance (word up)
Now let’s get back to this mic on my arm
If it ever left my side it’d transform into a time bomb
You don’t wanna borrow that, you wanna idolize
And you don’t wanna make me mad nigga you wanna socalize
And I’m daring every MC in the game
to play yourself out position, and mention my name
I make a rhyme for every syllable in your name
Go platinum for every time your grimy as* was on the train
Watch your mouth don’t ever step out of line
LL Cool J nigga, greatest of all time

NEED I SAY MORE.

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